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  • rocketman
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 1
    #1

    WarBallooning

    Unfortunately, this Event cancelled unexpectedly by authorities on 8/6/08 (Balloon banned from the Riviera property)
    However, the WarBallooning talk, Demo & Recorded Video will still occur...
    New time: SUN, 11:00 AM, Track #1 //rocketman

    UPDATE: FRI, 8/8/08 3:00PM The Covert WarBallooning operation took place in the city of Las Vegas & was a resounding success!
    " Stay tuned - we'll have plenty of video & KIsmet captures for the WarBalloon presentation. //rocketman

    WarBallooning over the RIV:

    A WarBalloon, er... Airborne Surveillance & 802.11 stumbling platform, also
    > > know as the "Kismet Eye in the Sky" will be flying just outside the DECON
    > > convention center on FRI and SAT from 11AM - 2 PM.

    > > Balloon & Electronics launch will occur Daily at 11:00 AM & several times during the day as we change antenna's & recon. the area...
    > >
    > > Concept:
    > > Using the balloon to reach a height of ~15 stories, Team Tenacity will
    > > launch the combo of a Kismet drone (WRT54G), wireless camera (DLINK 5220) &
    > > collect data utilizing various high-gain antennas. Kismet Drone collects
    > > network data, while the DLINK 5220 camera functions as a "pan & tilt"
    > > mechanism to move the antenna around & transmit pictures back
    > > to ground. We plan to call in wireless targets from CON members, remotely
    > > aiming the eye in the sky antenna from a fiber-optic link. Kismet
    > > CSV files & video will be distributed to DEFCON members post-CON.
    > >
    > > WarDrivers, COWF, & curious all welcome. Drop by, help us select targets & check out the video of Vegas Strip casinos & the WarBalloon being piloted over the RIV during DC16.
    > >
    > > WHEN & WHERE
    > > FRI & SAT 11:00 AM - 2:00 PM outside back convention center (where dunk tank
    > > was located DC15) Hosted by: Rocketman & Team Tenacity.
    Last edited by rocketman; August 8, 2008, 15:14.
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    • DJ Jackalope
      Resident DJ/Event Pusher
      • May 2003
      • 1278
      #2
      Re: WarBallooning

      Why do I picture a hamster in a harness strapped to the balloon?
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      send in the drop bears!
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        • streaker69
          • Mar 2008
          • 1141
          #3
          Re: WarBallooning

          Originally posted by DJ Jackalope
          Why do I picture a hamster in a harness strapped to the balloon?
          I don't know, could this be their testing site?

          http://modifiedliving.com/Hamster.htm
          A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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            • barry99705
              Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 302
              #4
              Re: WarBallooning

              Originally posted by streaker69
              I don't know, could this be their testing site?

              http://modifiedliving.com/Hamster.htm
              Where do you find this stuff??

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                • theprez98
                  SpoonfeederExtraordinaire
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 1507
                  #5
                  Re: WarBallooning

                  We talked about doing this last year, but sadly there was little or no interest.
                  "\x74\x68\x65\x70\x72\x65\x7a\x39\x38";

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                    • Ugly
                      Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 27
                      #6
                      Re: WarBallooning

                      Originally posted by theprez98
                      We talked about doing this last year, but sadly there was little or no interest.
                      It's a shame I didn't hear about it last year. A coworker and I came up with a similar idea independently earlier this year and I had hoped to set it up before the con. Glad someone else was able to pull this off. I'm very interested and picking the brains of all involved.

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                        • Pyr0
                          Goon
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 102
                          #7
                          Re: WarBallooning

                          Originally posted by DJ Jackalope
                          Why do I picture a hamster in a harness strapped to the balloon?
                          The hate mail to these guys rocks!
                          http://modifiedliving.com/weirdomail.htm

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                            • Thorn
                              Easy Bake Oven Iron Chef
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 1819
                              #8
                              Re: WarBallooning

                              Originally posted by Ugly
                              It's a shame I didn't hear about it last year. A coworker and I came up with a similar idea independently earlier this year and I had hoped to set it up before the con. Glad someone else was able to pull this off. I'm very interested and picking the brains of all involved.
                              Getting permission for a launch site anywhere around the Riv was a major hassle. On top of that, it looked like we'd run afoul of local laws, as well as state and federal regulations.

                              Sincerely guys, good luck. You'll need it.
                              Thorn
                              "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird

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                                • DaKahuna
                                  Dirty Ol' Man
                                  • Apr 2006
                                  • 664
                                  #9
                                  Re: WarBallooning

                                  What we were investigating last year was going to a height of 400 feet in order to get above the roof of the hotel and get as wide of a coverage area as possible. The plan was to do it in 100 ft increments with a 5 - 10 minute rest period at each 100 foot level. Looking for about an hours duration. Pull it down and plug it into a mapping software.

                                  As Thorn said, getting the approval from the various state and federal groups proved to be a little much as none of us were local.
                                  DaKahuna
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                                    • Ugly
                                      Member
                                      • Jul 2008
                                      • 27
                                      #10
                                      Re: WarBallooning

                                      If it's under 115 cu. ft. and attached to a line, I don't think the FAA requires anything beyond streamers or lights on the line at 50ft(?) intervals; provided it doesn't go past 400AGL, is more than a certain distance from the airport and has an emergency deflation device should it come free of the line. There might be city or state regs, but I'm pretty sure the feds don't much care about balloons that meet those limits.

                                      Above that volume or height, you get into FAA requirements for free flight, tethered operation or moored operation. Were you guys trying to get authorization for blimp-like free flight or tethered operation of a larger balloon?

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                                        • DaKahuna
                                          Dirty Ol' Man
                                          • Apr 2006
                                          • 664
                                          #11
                                          Re: WarBallooning

                                          We were looking at tethered operation or a surplus weather balloon. It turned out to be a little too ambitious for a first time event.
                                          DaKahuna
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                                            • Ugly
                                              Member
                                              • Jul 2008
                                              • 27
                                              #12
                                              Re: WarBallooning

                                              That's pretty much what I ran into. I was hoping to have 2 counter rotating antenna arrays but the weight lead to a prohibitively large balloon volume, both for filling it with helium and getting authorization for flights.

                                              It was my hope to cover the area under and around it with large yagi array that tracked it's orientation as it logged. Too ambitious.

                                              I started collecting info at http://www.hackerscouts.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

                                              Never got around to logging my temp/pressure/humidity air-mass calculations.

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                                                • Dallas
                                                  Goon and Aristocrat
                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                  • 336
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: WarBallooning

                                                  So did they ever do this? Or did i miss it?
                                                  +++ Dallas +++

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                                                    • Ugly
                                                      Member
                                                      • Jul 2008
                                                      • 27
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: WarBallooning

                                                      From what I understand - anyone who knows more feel free to correct me - the hotel told them they couldn't launch so the daily launches listed in the program were canceled but they went ahead and flew it at least once anyway. Shame I missed it.

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